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On the football side of things we have just finished the season with a MAC East title, lost MACC, invite to a bowl game and a loss in the game. That triggers the cry of Fire Frank - in one form or another - "time to go" - "I like Frank, but..." soften it as one wishes, it translates to get rid of Frank. But even the most ardent supporters of the "Time to go" movement acknowledge that Frank is not going anywhere - unless he wants to retire. Which does not appear to be the case. So most lower their anger to Albin. Fire Albin!! But with Frank approaching lame duck status, most also acknowledge that Albin is not going anywhere. Which means the only way Frank would go is if Schaus were to fire him. But Schaus has shown no sign of that (look how long it took him to move on in baseball). Schaus simply does not have the intention, guts or balls to pull the trigger. Pick your reason, it is not going to happen. Be upset at the body of work over the past 4, 6 or 11 years - Reality is Schaus is why Frank is here...and remains here. On the basketball side of things the Bobcats have already played themselves out of an at-large opportunity. Some posters are starting to say that Saul must start winning NOW. Schaus hired Christian and that turned out to be short-term. All agree Saul is a nice guy, but many cite he has not shown he can recruit "THE" guy, and has not won anything yet. So who oversees these two programs and coaches? Who can not pull the trigger on one and may have missed twice on the basketball side? Everyone gets all antsy when Schaus' name comes up for another job. Should we? Maybe the next time someone else comes calling we give them our blessing. Maybe when we get a new President, he/she will have a more aggressive stance on athletics. Maybe if we ever want to move up the ladder in athletics, we need to move on from what we have now. Folks can be upset at the coaches, but that is like being upset at the Sales director, maybe it is the CEO. Or maybe we are not the company some think we are or should be. Being upset at Frank, Albin, Saul is easy. Back to Top RPO R6V General User Member Since: 1/7/2005 Post Count: 206 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Ohio - as AD    Posted: 12/27/2016 9:13:49 AM  Interesting point(s). I, too, wonder what our next president's stance on athletics will be. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,671 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Ohio - as AD    Posted: 12/27/2016 10:50:35 AM  So you're saying Jim Schaus is the problem? I'm done. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,322 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Ohio - as AD    Posted: 12/27/2016 11:10:38 AM  cc-cat wrote: Maybe when we get a new President, he/she will have a more aggressive stance on athletics. Maybe if we ever want to move up the ladder in athletics, we need to move on from what we have now. On the other hand, the new president may very well choose to go the other way and put more emphasis on academic endeavors. Be careful what you wish for. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,385 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Ohio - as AD    Posted: 12/27/2016 3:08:03 PM  Just want to make sure I understand - is this thread suggesting that Schaus is a problem? If so, is there something in the water around this board? Back to Top Casper71 General User Member Since: 12/1/2006 Post Count: 3,181 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Ohio - as AD    Posted: 12/27/2016 4:23:58 PM  Alan, are you kidding? Isn't Ohio University an institution of HIGHER LEARNING? In all reality we are irrelevant and not even in the conversation when it comes to major college FB. I think many are more concerned about OHIO's academic profile and how it is viewed academically by employers as opposed to it's athletics. I hope the new President is too given the recent drops in OUr profile. I am also sure the thousands of students that graduate each year are much more concerned about employers view OHIO and them than they are football going 8-6 and to a DG Bowl. That coming from an ex athlete who loves sports! Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,322 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Ohio - as AD    Posted: 12/27/2016 5:41:28 PM  Casper71 wrote: Alan, are you kidding? Isn't Ohio University an institution of HIGHER LEARNING? In all reality we are irrelevant and not even in the conversation when it comes to major college FB. I think many are more concerned about OHIO's academic profile and how it is viewed academically by employers as opposed to it's athletics. I hope the new President is too given the recent drops in OUr profile. I am also sure the thousands of students that graduate each year are much more concerned about employers view OHIO and them than they are football going 8-6 and to a DG Bowl. That coming from an ex athlete who loves sports! 71 - what you said is exactly what I meant. The new president may very well want to reverse the recent slide in our academic reputation and available revenue for sports may be less in the not too distant future. This was in response to one posters hope for a president who emphasized academics. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 10,704 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Ohio - as AD    Posted: 12/27/2016 7:54:26 PM  Alan Swank wrote: Casper71 wrote: Alan, are you kidding? Isn't Ohio University an institution of HIGHER LEARNING? In all reality we are irrelevant and not even in the conversation when it comes to major college FB. I think many are more concerned about OHIO's academic profile and how it is viewed academically by employers as opposed to it's athletics. I hope the new President is too given the recent drops in OUr profile. I am also sure the thousands of students that graduate each year are much more concerned about employers view OHIO and them than they are football going 8-6 and to a DG Bowl. That coming from an ex athlete who loves sports! 71 - what you said is exactly what I meant. The new president may very well want to reverse the recent slide in our academic reputation and available revenue for sports may be less in the not too distant future. This was in response to one posters hope for a president who emphasized academics. The next two year budget by Ohio will be very interesting and could really sting, new President very well see athletics as a place to cut. Time will tell. Back to Top CA Bobcat General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Location: San Ramon, CA Post Count: 149 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Ohio - as AD    Posted: 12/27/2016 7:59:06 PM  Alan Swank wrote: Casper71 wrote: Alan, are you kidding? Isn't Ohio University an institution of HIGHER LEARNING? In all reality we are irrelevant and not even in the conversation when it comes to major college FB. I think many are more concerned about OHIO's academic profile and how it is viewed academically by employers as opposed to it's athletics. I hope the new President is too given the recent drops in OUr profile. I am also sure the thousands of students that graduate each year are much more concerned about employers view OHIO and them than they are football going 8-6 and to a DG Bowl. That coming from an ex athlete who loves sports! 71 - what you said is exactly what I meant. The new president may very well want to reverse the recent slide in our academic reputation and available revenue for sports may be less in the not too distant future. This was in response to one posters hope for a president who emphasized academics. I want a president who emphasizes academics (duh, it's a freaking university) and who understands the incredible value of a successful athletics program. That president will go get the money for both. Back to Top Mark Lembright '85 General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Highland Heights, OH Post Count: 2,460 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Ohio - as AD    Posted: 12/27/2016 9:12:28 PM  cc-cat wrote: It is that time of year when most everyone following Ohio sports is upset. But who should they be upset with? On the football side of things we have just finished the season with a MAC East title, lost MACC, invite to a bowl game and a loss in the game. That triggers the cry of Fire Frank - in one form or another - "time to go" - "I like Frank, but..." soften it as one wishes, it translates to get rid of Frank. But even the most ardent supporters of the "Time to go" movement acknowledge that Frank is not going anywhere - unless he wants to retire. Which does not appear to be the case. So most lower their anger to Albin. Fire Albin!! But with Frank approaching lame duck status, most also acknowledge that Albin is not going anywhere. Which means the only way Frank would go is if Schaus were to fire him. But Schaus has shown no sign of that (look how long it took him to move on in baseball). Schaus simply does not have the intention, guts or balls to pull the trigger. Pick your reason, it is not going to happen. Be upset at the body of work over the past 4, 6 or 11 years - Reality is Schaus is why Frank is here...and remains here. On the basketball side of things the Bobcats have already played themselves out of an at-large opportunity. Some posters are starting to say that Saul must start winning NOW. Schaus hired Christian and that turned out to be short-term. All agree Saul is a nice guy, but many cite he has not shown he can recruit "THE" guy, and has not won anything yet. So who oversees these two programs and coaches? Who can not pull the trigger on one and may have missed twice on the basketball side? Everyone gets all antsy when Schaus' name comes up for another job. Should we? Maybe the next time someone else comes calling we give them our blessing. Maybe when we get a new President, he/she will have a more aggressive stance on athletics. Maybe if we ever want to move up the ladder in athletics, we need to move on from what we have now. Folks can be upset at the coaches, but that is like being upset at the Sales director, maybe it is the CEO. Or maybe we are not the company some think we are or should be. Being upset at Frank, Albin, Saul is easy. If we're to going to "blame" Schaus for hoops and football (and I sure don't-he's the best AD Ohio's had in eons), then conversely we have to credit him for the successes in other sports, i.e. Women's basketball, Women's volleyball, Men's baseball in 2015, etc. I pretty much only focus on Men's football and basketball as that's where my own interest lie, but even I have to admit that there's more than 2 sports in Ohio athletics. :) And remember, when Schaus took over Ohio athletics was really running in the red financially as I recall. It doesn't anymore. Last Edited: 12/27/2016 9:17:09 PM by Mark Lembright '85 Back to Top OUcats82 General User Member Since: 1/9/2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 1,905 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Ohio - as AD    Posted: 12/27/2016 9:28:18 PM  I think Schaus does a good job overall but from an objective point of view: 2015-16 Reese (Men’s) Standings School; Sports; Points; Avg. Akron; 7; 75.0 points; 10.714 Western Michigan; 5; 42.0 points; 8.4 Kent State; 8; 67.0 points; 8.375 Eastern Michigan; 9; 73.5 points; 8.167 Central Michigan; 7; 51.5 points; 7.357 Ball State; 6; 40.5 points; 6.75 Ohio; 6; 38.5 points; 6.4167 Northern Illinois; 7; 43.75 points; 6.25 Buffalo; 10; 62.0 points; 6.2 Miami; 7; 42.0 points; 6.0 Toledo; 6; 32.0 points; 5.33 Bowling Green; 6; 24.5 points; 4.083 2015-16 Final Jacoby (Women’s) Standings School; Sports; Total Points; Avg. Kent State; 10; 95.25 points; 9.525 Eastern Michigan; 11; 92.5 points; 8.409 Western Michigan; 10; 80.0 points; 8.0 Miami; 10; 78.5 points; 7.85 Akron; 10; 72.875 points; 7.2875 Ohio; 10; 72.625 points; 7.2625 Northern Illinois; 10; 70.875 points; 7.0875 Central Michigan; 10; 69.0 points; 6.90 Buffalo; 9; 59.5 points; 6.6111 Toledo; 10; 57.75 points; 5.775 Bowling Green; 11; 54.125 points; 4.920 Ball State; 12; 57.5 points; 4.79167 Pretty close to the middle in both sports. I do believe we have to take 0s in a number of sports we do not sponsor, no? Akron and Kent quietly do quite well in the olympic sports. Kind of surprising that Miami is so low but they only offer 6 men's teams that actually compete in the MAC. Their commitment to hockey spreads them pretty thin in other areas. Not to downplay any of our student athletes nor their teams but how many of you on here are primarily interested in the success of football and men's basketball? I would cheer for OU in tidily winks but I can't honestly say I follow the results/growth/news of any teams other than football and men's basketball with any regularity. But I want the very best in terms of everything for all teams wearing green and white. I do what I can to provide financial support but I don't have a T. Boone Pickens type of checkbook = ) Ohio-The State University Back to Top mcbin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 951 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Ohio - as AD    Posted: 12/27/2016 10:16:04 PM  We've got a house of cards set up here with Ohio athletics.. Rod McDavis has been a great supporter, and we're losing him. One can hope the successor understands the value athletics provides, but you never know. Schaus stays at least partly because the support from the president is high. If we lost him too, especially with the presidential search in the air, things could take a turn for the worse. Oh, and the Pittsburgh job is open again. Argh. Maybe that should be in the 'time to panic' thread. Back to Top Casper71 General User Member Since: 12/1/2006 Post Count: 3,181 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Ohio - as AD    Posted: 12/27/2016 11:52:42 PM  Whoops, sorry Alan. I miss read and miss understood the point. Must be the Alzheimer's kicking in. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,322 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Ohio - as AD    Posted: 12/28/2016 9:32:20 AM  Casper71 wrote: Whoops, sorry Alan. I miss read and miss understood the point. Must be the Alzheimer's kicking in. No problem. Egg nog is another excuse we can all use this week. Back to Top cc-cat General User Member Since: 4/5/2006 Location: matthews, NC Post Count: 4,001 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Ohio - as AD    Posted: 12/28/2016 10:30:19 AM  OU_Country wrote: Just want to make sure I understand - is this thread suggesting that Schaus is a problem? If so, is there something in the water around this board? I'm not advocating - I'm just presenting a look at the situation. If folks feel Frank has been kept on too long (as many do)- that is o....n Schaus. If folks feel Saul is a good guy, but perhaps not the THE guy - such a conclusion will be a reflection on Schaus. No question he has improved funding and facilities (as Kirby did). And other sports have thrived. But at the end of the day, football and basketball are king. Success, or lack thereof, will be judged (subjectively as "success" as we all know is ambiguous). And the AD, like the coaches will be judged. Personally, I think Schaus' handling of Frank is a reflection of the ethos of the university and Ohio athletics - which I never judged - but personally feel are part of what makes Ohio...Ohio...OU....Oh Yea. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,385 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Ohio - as AD    Posted: 12/28/2016 3:22:46 PM  Alan Swank wrote: Casper71 wrote: Whoops, sorry Alan. I miss read and miss understood the point. Must be the Alzheimer's kicking in. No problem. Egg nog is another excuse we can all use this week. I'll vote for Christmas Ale's causing such problems. Back to Top rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,649 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Ohio - as AD    Posted: 12/28/2016 5:21:59 PM  OU_Country wrote: Alan Swank wrote: Casper71 wrote: Whoops, sorry Alan. I miss read and miss understood the point. Must be the Alzheimer's kicking in. No problem. Egg nog is another excuse we can all use this week. I'll vote for Christmas Ale's causing such problems. Christmas Ale,problems ? Not possible Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,385 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Ohio - as AD    Posted: 12/29/2016 10:08:58 AM  rpbobcat wrote: OU_Country wrote: Alan Swank wrote: Casper71 wrote: Whoops, sorry Alan. I miss read and miss understood the point. Must be the Alzheimer's kicking in. No problem. Egg nog is another excuse we can all use this week. I'll vote for Christmas Ale's causing such problems. Christmas Ale,problems ? Not possible I beg to differ, but only because too much Christmas Ale consumption once caused me a problem. ;) Back to Top Showing Replies:   1 - 18  of 18 Posts Jump to Page:   1 View Other 'Ohio Football' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 236 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 234 Guests 2 Registered Users:   FearLeon, ohio9704 There are no other users looking at this page.

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